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Wed 10 Jun HMV Forum, Kentish Town, London. Mojo Honours show with Buzzcocks (headlining) and John Cooper Clarke. (All three played Vortex on 4 July 1977). Ticket-text or ticketmaster (£17.50)
Sun 14 Jun MES Q&A at the Lawrence Batley Theater, Huddersfield.
Sat 18 Jul Academy 1, Manchester. Tickets (£20 + fees) on sale from Ticketline (01618321111) and the usual outlets. Alan Wise is selling tickets for face value to people who have ordered from him before, or you can also get tickets at cost from the Students' Union. Also wegottickets. There will be two other acts plus Safi: Optional Wallace and Ed Blaney.
Sat 30 Aug Beachdown Festival, Devil's Dyke, Brighton.
Thu 1 Oct Theatre Royal, Windsor, Berkshire, according to their site.
Fri 2 Oct O2 Academy, Leeds. Support acts will be from Leeds, says Alan.
Tue 17 Nov Koko, London. Hosted by the Guardian, who are choosing the support acts (might include Bobbie Peru, says Alan.)
 

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added 21 June

factory star

Martin Bramah's Factory Star (w/ Steve and Paul Hanley) have a gig at The Studio (formerly the Late Room), 23 Peter Street, Manchester on Thursday, 9th July. They will be performing songs by the Fall and the Blue Orchids as well as new material. Support comes from former Factory Records' band Red Turns To. Tickets are £6 in advance from Piccadilly Records, Manchester or £8 on the door. Doors open 7.30pm.

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added 17 June

Steve & Paul Hanley's band -- Electric Circus -- will play a benefit gig for Didsbury Road Primary School in Stockport on Saturday 20th June. For ticket details and further info contact: electriccircusgig@yahoo.com

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palaisadded 16 June

The long-delayed Hammersmith Palais DVD/CD set is scheduled for release on 3 August, according to Sanctuary/Universal. In case you've forgotten, it's the final night at the Palais, recorded 1 April 2007. I've had a copy of the DVD for a while and it's well worth getting. Multi-camera and 5.1 sound.

Senior Twilight Stock Replacer / Pacifying Joint / Fall Sound / Over! Over! / Theme from Sparta F.C. / Hungry Freaks, Daddy / Wrong Place, Right Time / My Door Is Never / The Wright Stuff / White Lightning / Blindness / Reformation

MES, Elena, Presley, Barbato, McCord, Greenway, Spurr.

The DVD also contains a bonus: the Reformation promo clip.

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added 16 June

Sad news about Chris Knox (Toy Love, Tall Dwarfs, Flying Nun Records, "Fall in a Hole"). He suffered a stroke last week and is in hospital in Auckland. His friends and family have a blog to keep people updated on his progress.

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added 15 June

Sunday, 14 June    MES Q&A at the Lawrence Batley Theater, Huddersfield

Reviews near the end of this thread on the forum, and Palszanti's posted a few photos on flickr and a short video clip on youtube.

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added 11 June; updated 15 June

Wednesday, 10 June   HMV Forum, Kentish Town, London

set

Hot Cake / Wolf Kidult Man / 50 Year Old Man / Funnel of Love / Psykick Dancehall / A Figure Walks / Rebellious Jukebox / Bury // Reformation

Glowing reviews on the forum, and many thanks to Mark for the setlist and Psykick Dancehall:

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added 9 June

An excellent interview with Jeffrey Lewis; thanks to interviewer Odran Smith for sending it in. Lots of Fall con.

Jeffrey Lewis (born November 20, 1975 in New York City) is an American anti-folk singer/songwriter and comic book artist. Jarvis Cocker has called him "the best lyricist working in US today". He's the product of loving beatnik parents who raised him in the Lower East Side in a tenement apartment with no television.

(Jeffrey Lewis has previously recorded five parts to his 'History of Communism.'

Part 1.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7905345605926782170

Part 2.The Paris Commune

Part 3.Russia

Part 4.China

Part 5.Korea).

O.S.:Will Cuba be 'The History of Communism part 6'?

J.L.:I guess so. I was going to do Vietnam next but I thought I might be concentrating to much on South East Asia. I can always go back and do Vietnam as part 7.

O.S. It's seriously educational...I had no idea about any of that stuff especially Korea.

J.L. Well I knew nothing about it either before I started my research.

O.S.:You're wearing an Aran jumper/cardigan.

J.L.:Yeah my brother Jack bought it for me a while back but it's full of holes.

O.S.:I think it's funny that Bob Dylan brought the Clancy Brothers over to New York. They'd perform in their Aran jumpers and change back into their snazzy suits once the show was over. And now here you are a New Yorker of jewish descent wearing an Aran jumper and selling anti-folk to the Irish.

J.L.:I didn't realise this jumper was an Irish thing.

O.S. You've toured Ireland a few times. What strikes you about this country when you visit?

J.L. Well if you were driving between two cities in America you'd be on a motorway and you would see very little scenery. The journey up from Dublin was really nice.

O.S. Do you like Irish music?

J.L. I like Stiff Little Fingers and The Undertones. I like The Strangely Strange...are they Irish? I'm not a musicologist...I must confess I don't know that much about Irish folk music.

(Kind of wanted to be a bit more Joe Mc Carthy with this next question).

O.S.:Are you a communist?

J.L.:I think there's a lot of good ideas there. I suppose my personal philosophy is summed up by Jack London's words...

I would rather be ashes than dust!

I would rather that my spark should burn out in a brilliant blaze than it be stifled by dry-rot

I would rathr be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.

The function of man is to live, not to exist.

I shall not waste my days trying to prolong them.

I shall use my time.

(The interviewer is simultaneously reminded of two things... 1.the sad sight of Oasis playing to a packed Odyssey arena with a backdrop that said simply 'EXIST' 2.the previous quote ain't a million miles from Neil Young/Kurt Cobain 'it's better to burn out than fade away').

(Jeffrey's college thesis was on the comic book Watchmen he has also lectured on the topic).

O.S.:What did you think of the Watchmen movie?

J.L.:I think they did as good a job as was possible in the time permitted. However because it's so plot heavy you don't really emote as much as you should. What did you think?

O.S.:I liked it but I never read the comic.

J.L.:Yeah I'm really interested in how someone who never read the comic would experience it.

O.S.:My friend was rather taken with the female super hero.

J.L.:I was amazed how much the characters on screen resembled their graphic representations.

O.S.So the first thing I heard by you was 'The Legend Of The Fall' on Youtube. I'm a big Fall fan and so that's how I got into your stuff.

J.L.We should have a full Fall conversation. Best album. Best shows. Favorite line up. In fact you have to help me because tomorrow I'm interviewing Mark E. Smith at the Hinterland festival. I've no idea what I'm going to talk to him about. I've been racking my brain for a topic that won't be met with disdain. I was going to ask him what he's been reading lately.

O.S.He talks a lot about Wyndham Lewis...artist...writer...bit of a fascist.

J.L. He certainly likes to be controversial. I think he (Mark) just likes to wind people up. Because it's such a rare thing to find a literate intelligent counter culture figure who espouses right wing views. I think he just does it to be interesting and controversial. He does it to poke a little at the general consensus.

O.S. So you've toured with The Fall?

J.L. We did one show together in London in February 2004. Which was a tremendous thrill for me.

O.S. You were asked to become a member of The Fall?

J.L. He doesn't let Fall fans in the band.I think I'd bring a lot of interesting musical stuff to the band. I'm not much of a musician either which might be a good thing. I feel like I have a lot of the same influences musically as Mark...The Groundhogs for example. There's a guy called Nervous Norvous that I always suspected Mark was a fan of and I just found confirmation of it in the book The Fallen. There's a bit in the book where a journalist visits his house and he's forced to listen to a Nervous Norvous record. The Pebbles compilations in particular Volume 3...which was a life changing album for me. I just found an NME article from the 1980's in which Mark lists his favourite album as Pebbles Volume 3.

O.S. There's a perception you might have got into The Fall through Pavement.

J.L. Oh no not at all. I never liked Pavement. Now I do. I used to hate that stuff but it took me years. All through college I could not understand why people liked that band. I had to try REALLY hard. I used to listen to those albums really hard. I used to think - I don't get it. The lyrics mean nothing and the songs don't go anywhere. All I could think was the songs don't mean anything. But now I'll put it them on and I love it. I love the recent stuff. I love the Stephen Malkmus solo album. I love 'Real Emotional Trash'. But it took me years. And I don't actually see any Fall connection at all. Which is ironic because the only Pavement song that I liked when I listened to them years ago was 'Two States'. And I didn't realise that was the Fall rip-off song. It was only years later that I discovered where it came from. And when I returned to Pavement I thought'no wonder I liked that song it sounds just like The Fall'. But really to this day I don't really see the connection between the two bands.

O.S. I suppose it was 'Slanted and Enchanted' and 'Westing By Musket...' albums and the artwork.

J.L. But I mean with Pavement the songs don't mean anything with The Fall the songs actually mean something even if it takes you a while to work out what they might mean.

O.S. I've never been able to work many of them out.

J.L. Malkmus is just gibberish. I've learned to love it. Because I've learned to love the joy that he brings to that nonsense. But The Fall to me is not nonsense. It's bizarre and it's esoteric and it's dense and sometimes it's difficult to figure out. But I LOVE puzzling it out. I love it when five years later when I'm reading a book and I come across a passage. And suddenly I understand what he was talking about in a particular song.

O.S. I used to write for the Fall fanzine 'The Biggest library Yet' and the only contact the editor Graham Coleman had with the band was a one off postcard with the words 'Don't go round explaining yourself' written on the back. Now I didn't understand what it meant at the time but now it's become a kind of personal philosophy.

J.L. It makes everything better. It's a terrible mistake everytime I explain what a particular song means. Everytime I read a songwriter or author explaining what they've done...it's alost always a mistake. It's so much better to let art just be art. But of course everyone has an ego and everyone has a burning desire to talk about themselves. Here I am being interviewed. I just finished an interview. I got five interviews tomorrow. It's a tremendous ego boost. You want to go on and on proving how clever you are. But it's almost always to detriment of the art.

O.S. But I used to get so much fun reading an interview with Mark E. Smith in the eighties and nineties. It got to a point where I worried that I liked the interviews better than the music.

J.L. When I got into them I didn't know anything about them or him apart from the music. I didn't know his persona. I had no preconceived notions at all. And in fact I liked them a bit less when I discovered they were just this one guy and they had all these different line-ups.

O.S. So what is your favorite Fall album?

J.L. Dragnet.

O.S. And the first Fall album you heard?

J.L. Dragnet.

O.S. That's quite common for someone to say-that the first Fall album they heard was the one they liked the best. I heard Seminal Live first but Extricate and Shiftwork are still my favourites and I heard them before most of the other records.

J.L. Extricate is another of my favourites. My favourite three are Dragnet, Extricate and Perverted By Language.

O.S. How many times have you seen the band?

J.L. Not that many times...maybe six.

O.S. Have you performed with Daniel Johnston?

J.L. Three times.

O.S. How is he these days?

J.L. I think he's doped up on a lot medication. He's been on a lot of medication for the past fifteen years. He's really a shadow of the Daniel Johnston of the 1980's. His creative output has disappeared and his voice is shot from cigarettes. His last good album was entitled Fun from around 1994. His thinking is clouded by the drugs...his songs used to have so many little jokes.

O.S. Critics have been saying recently that when you go to see him nowadays Jad Fair is the talent. They've also questioned whether it's ethically right to use someone who is now so mentally disadvantaged to sell concert tickets.

J.L. Jad Fair is a genius in his own right. The album they did together from around 1989 is amongst the best work either of them have recorded. That album is life changing...amazing.

O.S. All this stuff is quite lo-fi but you're wearing a Scritti Politti T-shirt. I'm surprised you're a fan...they're pretty polished.

J.L. I went on tour with them and got the shirt for free. I'm not that immersed in their stuff. I got to like them whilst touring with them.

O.S. He is a fellow communist...

J.L. I didn't have any political discussions with him. He's (Simon Gartside) just a really nice guy. Really friendly...down to earth. He comes to see us when we play in London. I feel like I've had a priveleged experience with him because I know he's a legendary character but I got to know him as a person before I heard any of his stuff. I wasn't revering him and now I'm very much in awe of some of the work that he's done. It was nice to get to know him before there was any fear or fame.

O.S. Have you seen the Rough Trade BBC4 documentary?

J.L. No but I'd love to. I gather it's up on Youtube.

O.S. Your songs refer to Belfast twice.

J.L. Probably through the Crass songs.

O.S. And you sing Van Morrison's 'Gloria' in the 'Brief History Of Punk Rock'.

J.L. I hadn't thought of that.

O.S. So you write a lot of political songs. You're in Belfast - a political place - do you have any opinion on the situation here.

J.L. In a certain way I feel it's not my place to voice a strong opinion on a place that I personally don't have a stake in. But I feel...everybody feels...the implications of imperialism in one way or another. I felt it growing up in the Lower East Side of New York. In that nobody that I grew up with...and it was a real neighbourhood...everybody was pushed out by the huge influx of money. People with money decided..WE like this area. We're going to build university dorms here. We're going to build chain stores here. We're going to live here. We want your homes we find your buildings charming. We're going to pay more money than you can afford to pay. So everyone I grew up with has moved out of New York or to the boondocks of Brooklyn. And that's just a continuation of what happened to the native Americans who lived in Manhattan who were pushed out by the Dutch. Who were in turn pushed out by the English. Whoever has more money, more guns and more power pushes out the weaker. And that's imperialism. Whether it's a neighbourhood getting gentrified and the original residents not being able to live there. Or whether it's England deciding to colonize India. It's basically being a bully and the justifications that are brought to bear on it. Whether they be religious ior scientific. That's part of the brilliance of Conrad's 'Heart Of Darkness'.

(There follows a long discussion about Joseph Conrad and Roger Casement wherein the interviewer makes a bit of a foo of himself).

O.S. I read that you have a nemesis on the internet who spread rumours that you were married.

J.L. It's no big deal but we have multiple nemesis's now.

O.S. Did you ever meet John Peel?

J.L. We met him briefly in 2002 when we did a Peel session.

O.S. Still missed.

J.L. I've only ever encountered people who love John Peel. Just recently was the first time I ever saw a dissenting opinion. In he book 'The Story Of Crass' the guy who originally put Crass's albums out on the Small Wonder record label said something interesting. He reckons that the first interest in punk was dampened down because Peel was given such prominence. For a brief time it was such a creative free for all but somehow it turned into one guys opinion of what was cool. Because what happened was whatever Peel thought was cool got exposure and what Peel thought was uncool didn't. And power became so centralized that this happened. Bands thought it was better to have one album than none at all.

O.S. John Peel was always aware of his priveleged position but it was in a sense a poisoned chalice. When Mark E. Smith refused to be aligned be to John Peel because it meant they were ghettoised he felt their pain..and acknowledged it. Peel realised that he was in affect a tool in a media war...he wasn't just playing a Bhundu Boys record...he was making sure that no one at the BBC ever had to feel uncomfortable when asked why the didn't play african/reggae/hip-hop... music. In effect he was the BBC's get out clause regarding public service broadcasting and the licence fee for what was essentially a commercial station. He didn't ask to be put in the position of being the only person playing this stuff. I remember him speaking warmly and excitedly about Mark Radcliffe and Marc Riley doing the Breakfast show for two weeks whilst Chris Evans was on holiday. When Andy Kershaw bemoans the fact that the BBC hastened an ill though diabetes old man to his death by forcing him to drive long distances in the middle of the night to record his show...he's right.

(Interview cut short because of sound check. Interview continued by email).

O.S. People you get compared to...Jonathan Richman, Lou Reed, Woody Allen amongst others...do any of these comparisons irk?

J.L.Usually just shows the frame of reference of the person making the comparison, more than it shows anything about me...

(He has witten a song about art/fame entitled 'Williamsburg Will Oldham Disaster' that has a very ending in which he is sexually attacked by the indie rock icon).
O.S.Has Will Oldham heard your song?

J.L.Yes, from what i'm told.

O.S.Is it difficult touring with your brother? Do your parents expect you to shield him things as you're the older sibling. Any fisticuffs?

J.L.We disagree a lot but he adds a lot of good ideas to things.

O.S.Mark E. Smith is friends with Irvine Welsh but he has said that his financial situation would be totally different if he had been included on the Trainspotting soundtrack. Do you wish you'd been on the Juno OST?

J.L.I guess the money would be nice but wishing i'd been on the soundtrack is not something that's ever crossed my mind.

O.S. Donovan has T.M. Beck has scientology. What helps Jeffrey Lewis?

J.L.Atheism.

O.S. I interviewed Martin Bramah (Blue Orchids/The Fall) once and he said that both himself and Roddy Frame (Aztec Camera) really resented the fact that Geoff Travis/Rough Trade promoted The Smiths much more than them. Do you ever worry about being sidelined by RT's higher profile artists.

J.L.It's not a worry. It's been a basic fact since the get go but that's been fine. Multiple times there's been Rough Trade festivals with every band on the label invited to play except us! But I kind of like being the black sheep. We've traditionally been pretty independent of them and have never signed a multi-album deal or anything binding like that...and Rough Trade have been very kind.

O.S. I gather you didn't have a television for much of your youth. When did you first get one? What was it like when you did get one? Do you feel like you missed out on anything?

O.S. First got one in the house when I was about twelve and i caught up as much as possible by watching T.V. all day and all night for a while. Now I never watch at all for years. Seems like a total waste of time. Though i do take too much of my time up in catching up on email stuff all the time, so it probably amounts to the same thing.

O.S. Why are The Fall like The Grateful Dead?

J.L. Incredibly long productive careers, unpredictable musical directions, unpredictable covers included in sets, dedicated cult fan base, lyrically similar in a certain way with one foot firmly in the flavor of their homeland (USA for the Dead, Manchester for the Fall) and the other foot in the mystical/philosophical, and the mix of that specificity with the other dimensional is powerful for both bands.

THE END

Random thoughts on Jeffrey Lewis...

1. His comics are really good...first adult comics I've ever read though...the stories relating to his european travels are entertaining but he really seems to enjoy hardship.

2. His comics would also lead one to believe that he really looks up to his father.

3. His work most resembles Jonathan Richman...it's because of his honesty...he admitted to me that Richman's honesty in his songwriting is what he likes the most. He said he aimed for Richman's sense of enthusiasm. Does this tack ensure longevity but mean that it's unlikely he will crossover to mainstream success? 'Em Are I' his most recent album his very different from his earlier work which is very underproduced...at times the sound is atrocious.

4. I'm also impressed that rates Lou Reed's later work.

5. I spend a lot of time wondering if his humour is very like a jewish comedian and then I worry if this is anti-semite. He has been compared to Woody Allen and whilst nerdy characters are common enough in comic books it's still fairly rare in rock. Some of the stuff he deals with is frighteningly honest.

6. The early part of the interview was kind of inaudible because it was recorded in the Black Box cafe during an art exhibition opening. He spoke warmly of Donovan saying he much prefered him to Dylan. He even noted the similarities between Donovan and The Fall...the way they both sometimes sound sinister.

7. And if he is as close to being a comedian as a musician...the questions that I always find myself asking is...why are The Fall so popular with comedians?...I mean Vic Reeves, Stewart Lee, Johnny Vegas, Jerry Sadowitz and Frank Skinner are BIG fans.

8. I know there was far too much discussion of The Fall in what was supposed to be an interview with Jeffrey Lewis but in a way he kinda pushed it that way. 'Em Are I' is really great album though... much better than anything The Fall have produced in many years.

 

26 June 2009

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